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How to Stay Mentally Strong When Life Falls Apart
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Health challenges taught resilience, forcing prioritization and delegation. They highlighted the need for robust systems over over-reliance on founders. This built sustainable growth through better work-life balance, innovation in remote ops, and stronger teams. Adversity accelerated adaptability, turning personal setbacks into scalable business strengths
In this episode, I had a discussion with Savio P. Clemente is a keynote and TEDx speaker, journalist, board-certified wellness coach, best-selling author, and healthcare leadership strategist. After surviving cancer twice and conducting 2,000+ interviews with global leaders, he developed the Adaptive Resilience Leadership framework. Savio helps leadership teams recover performance after disruption by cutting cognitive overload, improving decision-making, and restoring clarity at the intersection of healthcare, leadership, and human performance
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00:00 Intro
02:30 Introduction to Savio P. Clemente
03:25 Navigating Crisis in Leadership
06:39 Savio's Personal Battle with Cancer
12:54 Mental and Spiritual Resilience
18:55 Finding Strength Through Adversity
22:45 Leadership Lessons from Personal Experience
23:42 Identifying Cognitive Noise in High-Stakes Situations
27:12 The Importance of Authenticity in Leadership
30:07 Addressing Blind Spots in Business Leadership
33:11 Self-Help Strategies for Business Leaders
35:31 The Role of Community in Personal Recovery
Intro
SPEAKER_02Oh God, this job, this corporate job is soul sucking. So, you know, my thing is why can't it be soul searching? Why can't you look for things that light you up? Why can't you look for things that actually bring you joy, that spark something in you? Why does it always have to be that they're taking something from you? Why can't you give something to it? No one's saying don't celebrate after a crisis, right? You made it through. That's a victory, obviously, and you want to recover. You want to do something fun. I'm not saying, I'm not trying to dispel that. I'm just saying that most people think that after the crisis, they're fine. But no, I teach, and what I know and what I've seen is that that's when you start losing because things end up bleeding, things end up slipping. You are not as forthright with information, you're not as cognitant of what's coming up. People think leadership has to be this corporation, big corporation. No, it doesn't always have to be that. Leadership is how people see you, how people want to model what you give, how people want to emulate what you do, how people want to resonate with who you are. That's where leadership stands for. It always stands from the person within. So if you're not able to do those things like self-regulation and all those other things that I mentioned, then how are you supposed to effectively lead? How many times have you heard, especially now in the advent of AI, it's no longer about content because AI can create that in seconds? It's about definitely how is that content resonating? How authentic is that content?
SPEAKER_00And there is that you're business leadership podcast. In this episode, I had a discussion with uh Sevio Clemente. Sevio is a keynote and a TEDx speaker, journalist, board certified, wellness coach, best-selling author, and a healthcare leadership strategist. After surviving cancer twice and conducting over 2,000 interviews with the global leaders, he developed the Adaptive Resilience Leadership Framework. Sevio helps leadership teams recover performance of disruption by cutting cognitive overload, improving decision makings, and restoring clarity at the intersection of healthcare, leadership, and human performance. This was a very interesting discussion. Hope you found a value in this discussion as much as I did. And uh, if you did find a value, don't forget to like, share, subscribe to this channel, and send us your feedback. Your feedback is very important for us to focus on the right discussions to help you grow and scale your companies. So until next time, thank you for your time. Please welcome Savio Clemente. I guess
Introduction to Savio P. Clemente
SPEAKER_00welcome to Business Leadership Podcast. Today we're guest is some of our very special Savio P. Calmente. Uh Savio, I'm uh, you know, I'm researching your uh story and also your work, you know, your TED Talks, you've been all over media, you've been presenting, public speaking, and and the podcast and your line of work. So very interesting, you know, very uh intrigued. There's so much to learn from you. I'm looking forward to discussion, looking forward to learning from you. Thank you so much for time today.
SPEAKER_02Thanks so much, Gramid, for having me. I appreciate it. And I look forward to discussing the most important things that affect people's lives. I think that's the key right now with so much that's happening.
SPEAKER_00So let's start from there, Saviour. So you've been working with a lot of business leaders. You're trying to help them in many different uh areas. From your working with this business leader, where do you see some of the, you know, are you able to pinpoint some of those common challenges these business leaders are up against?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think in the world that we live in currently, can't disruption
Navigating Crisis in Leadership
SPEAKER_02is rampant from social disruption, political disruption, technological disruption with AI. And so my lane is specifically with healthcare leaders. What happens after the crisis? So we can talk a little bit about my background and how crisis has affected me from a medical standpoint. But the thing is, and the key element is what happens after that, because that's really the cornerstone of how you lead forward. It's not about just surviving the crisis. No, it's about what happens exactly. How does performance regain itself? How do you end up leading a team properly and an organization properly? And what are the steps needed to not only self-regulate yourself, but self-regulate the team because they mirror how you lead.
SPEAKER_00I can tell you from a business standpoint how people deal with the crisis. You know, definitely going into crisis, everybody's sweating, everybody's trying to figure out, you know, there's this tensions are high, emotions are high. But when you deal with that tension, all the crisis, everybody just drops everything. Now they want a vocation, they want to relax a little bit because the crisis just over. Now preparing for the next, but I'm sure you have a different take on it. But that's what I see in a business. Uh, you know, sometimes there's exercise to find, you know, find let's find some lessons learned out of those crises, what we learn. But I think uh we never talk about somebody's you know health challenges or how to deal with the, you know, health-wise to we are prepared for the next challenges. I think that's where you're referring to. That's the area as always left open for business leaders.
SPEAKER_02Of course. Well, uh no one's saying don't celebrate after a crisis, right? You made it through. That's a victory, obviously, and you want to recover, you want to do something fun. I'm not saying I'm not trying to dispel that. I'm just saying that most people think that after the crisis, they're fine. But no, I teach and what I know and what I've seen is that that's when you start losing because things end up bleeding, things end up slipping. You are not as forthright with information, you're not as cognitant of what's coming up. And so the key element for me, at least, the way the research I've done, the trainings I've done, the work, the study I've done at this point. I'm a journalist. So I've interviewed over 2,000 plus leaders and change makers and also celebrities. And it's really about, well, performance does have to sort of start, right? It you don't want it to not function properly. But at the end of the day, at least in healthcare leadership, there's so much waste that's happening. It's estimated almost $935 billion per year, the US accumulates in waste. And so that waste can be truncated. And so the way you do that is to not only look outside of the organization, but look within. And so that's really what I teach. My lived experience is being a two-time cancer survivor. And so I've seen the medical system from that vantage point, not only from an external vantage point.
SPEAKER_00So, yeah, it's very interesting you mentioned. So let's talk about your story because that your story kind of leads to this conversation we are having. You know, we'll talk about the waste where the waste mostly lies. But if you can share your story and walk us through in, you know, what do you have to deal with?
SPEAKER_02Sure, absolutely. Well, this means nothing, right? If it's not something that's tangible with something that's focused on
Savio's Personal Battle with Cancer
SPEAKER_02a human element, uh, we live in AI, AI can can create content for us, it can even fake, you know, deep fakes of us. But at the end of the day, my story is in 2014, after coming back from a trip with a friend to Europe, I noticed my stomach started getting distented a little bit. I also noticed that I was having deep night sweats. I'm like, this is strange. At that point in time in 2014, I was only seeing a naturopath. Not that I didn't want to see doctors, I just didn't have any issues or problems. And he said to me after looking at my blood, he's like, Oh, this could be a few things I don't want to alarm you, but I think you should go get a sonogram. And I'm like, why a sonogram? And he wouldn't say. Got a sonogram. Literally, they they didn't let me leave the office for an hour and a half. They asked a family member to come pick me up, even though I drove there. Went to the hospital, and within an hour and a half, they admitted me to the fifth floor. That night I heard rumblings that I was going to be transferred to the seventh floor. And then I heard a few nurses call it the cancer floor. So I had an inkling, but I wasn't sure. And literally a day and a half after I was admitted, uh, they told me I had stage three non-Hodgkins lymphoma, which is a blood cancer. For the first week, I was bedridden because my stomach distension was part of ascites, and inside the ascites was a lymphoma. And so I was bedridden because they had to put in a frostomy tube to distill about eight liters of fluid for my abdomen. I stayed at the hospital for an additional seven days. And then I was told two days before I left from the medical director that I needed to start my first round of something called RCHOP chemotherapy. And I was like, okay. So I had to do a lot of soul searching from that experience. And then in addition to that, when I left the hospital, I did additional five rounds, so a total of six rounds. And in four and a half months, I received my remission status. And I was remissioned for a decade until June of 2024.
SPEAKER_00So June 2024 started the same thing again?
SPEAKER_02So what ended up happening is I was living, listen, I most people think that you're living a poor lifestyle if you have cancer. That's not the case. Blood cancer is just a mysterious thing, they don't know how it originates. Not that all cancers can be originated or backtracked to something, but some cancers, especially organ cancers, can be. There is something that precipitates it. Blood cancers is just a question mark. And so I came back from a trip to India about a month, and people are like, you go to trips and you come back with cancer. Like, no. So what ended up happening is I came back and I noticed, uh, so I actually saw my oncologist, so I've seen him every year just to do yearly scans. I don't have to, sorry, yearly blood work. I don't have to actually do anything sort of that involved because it's just a surveillance type of a situation. And he said, Oh, you know what, you're good. And I'm like, Well, Dr. Steinberg, just to let you know, I've just noticed like some nasal congestion and some yearfulness. And he's like, Okay, that's fine. I'm like, I'm gonna go see my ENT in the city. He's like, Okay, just have them send over the sub, we'll put in your file, but I'll see you next year. You know, you're good. I'm like, okay. I went and the ENT said to me, He's like, Savio, there's a lot of inflammation in your right nostril. He goes, You're a B cell lymphoma survivor, right? I'm like, Yep, 10 years strong. He's like, Do you know B cells can live in the nasal cavity? I'm like, what? I mean, Grammite, I thought I was gonna go for some nasal medication. I didn't think it was anything cancer related. So he goes, you know, I've been burned as a doctor before. So let's be on the safe side. Let's do an MRI. He did an MRI. It looked really strange to him. And so he ended up doing a biopsy in the office. And literally Friday at 3 p.m., the day before what was supposed to be my 25th college reunion that I emailed friends about that I hadn't seen in 25 years that I was coming. I found out through a my chart notification that I had a relapse of cancer. And then with that, it was a grueling 16 months of treatment. I'm not gonna lie, it involved two, three night stays at the hospital. Then they had to do, they had to put a neck catheter and they had to do stem cell harvesting. I got my own stem cells. Then they had to do a stem cell transplant at the hospital. Typically, it's three weeks. It ended up being four weeks for me because I ended up having tachycardia, which is every time I would stand up, my pulse would go to like 160, 170. So much so that one night they had to transfer me to the ICE to get norepinephrine. Then when I came out of the hospital after 29 days, which I lost about 26 pounds, and not to mention a few side effects like diarrhea and et cetera, I ended up, my doctor did a scan, and he says, actually, you're in CR, complete response to treatment, which is also complete remission. But I don't use that word remission anymore because of the reason that I had used it before. And so he's like, but it's up to you. There's a clinical trial for it and immunotherapy. And if you want to go forward, you can, but it's like an insurance policy. And I thought about it long and hard. And my sister's like, Why would you want to go through additional months of treatment when you just got a complete response? I'm like, it's because if it ever came back, I would say to myself, Oh, I should have done the whole thing, right? The whole thing that was given to me. So I ended up doing that for four and a half months and then about five months of physical therapy. And I'm here to tell the tale.
SPEAKER_00You know, it's uh it's thank you for sharing your, you know, your battle with it. But you know, normally one time is more than enough. People deal with it, you know, that you've gone through twice. I, you know, I know I never had to deal with it, but I can only imagine that that that toll it takes on a mental health and also on a spiritual, you know, person itself, you know, how hard you have to be, you know, how strong you have to deal with this stuff. You know, physically is, yeah, definitely the battle is is different, but then a mental and a spiritual battle is completely different. I I don't know if we if you can explain in the detail, but if we can just share, like what do you think of the impact that have, you know, people even go through one time, you know, how what kind of toll it takes, you know, physically, you know, mentally and spiritually on a on a person.
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SPEAKER_02So typically, normally, no one wants cancer to return. They want to be fine. But I knew in the back of my mind that it was possible, right? There's nothing that's 100% guaranteed in life, in anything, let alone medicine. So I knew,
Mental and Spiritual Resilience
SPEAKER_02and actually, one of the staff members came after I got out of the hospital, you know, I would see my doctor. And she's like, I have to say, Mr. Clementi, I've seen so many people, but you're just strikingly different. How are you how are you dealing with this? Because you're just normally people beyond the physical toll that it takes, you know, lethargy, obviously losing their hair, but now it's it's a fashion statement. Um and also they just feel like they're down and out. And I said, because I know this enemy, I faced it before. And I think what helped me was the fact that I am a board certified well health and wellness coach. So I know how to blend the two. So I did what most even doctors don't do, which is I I ended up be trying to become a model patient for myself. So I met myself where I was. So that included self-regulation, which is well, what can I control? Group, can I control my red blood cells? No. Can I control my white blood cells? No. Can I control my platelets? No. These are all the signs that doctors look for, right? But what can I control? I control my attitude, I can control what I consume, I can control who I let in to my space and circle. I actually stopped my whole work. I didn't do anything on for my treatment because I knew for me healing, I had to focus like a laser beam, 100%, nothing else except for that. So that was definitely something that I took control. And so I self-regulated. And then I also did things like journal. I cried, I listened to music. I did things that would make me feel whole again because yes, my physical body was in trauma, but that doesn't mean my spirit is in trauma. That doesn't mean my emotions have to be in trauma. That doesn't mean my mental state has to be in trauma. It could just mean that, okay, well, this is a huge detour in the road. Uh so that's number one. Second thing is I practice something called psychological distancing. So it's not detachment, it's not disassociation. It's this idea that you separate the problem and give a little bit of space in between so that you can be observant, you could be objective rather than subjective. So instead of saying, Oh, poor me, why did it happen to me? I should have been fine. Gourmet, that's not the case. How can you explain a baby being born who just had cancer? How can you shit happens? Things happen in life. So you have to put that little bit of distance there. And then the other most beautiful thing, which I honestly didn't even know that I was going to experience. So when I was in the hospital for the 29 days, they gave me my own room. I was quarantined because when you have a stem cell transplant, your bone marrow is complete and depleted, you are susceptible to any infections whatsoever. And so, yes, they would come in every four hours to do vitals. Yes, I would have the team come in, the doctors, and I made sure I met the team grow me, even though I was tired, didn't want to eat. Obviously, I lost 26 pounds for a reason. Some days I just didn't feel like eating. I made sure that I met them where they were as well. Because yes, they were healing trying to treat me and heal me, but if I didn't meet them where they were, then we're not in it together. I'm just I I I become a I become lord over towards them, right? And so the key is well, how do I meet them in that way? So I would always make sure I was present and I was at least to some degree had some semblance of normality in my life, some some level of actualization in my life. And so what really worked for me was and all the belief systems teach you this, it's very easy to obtain, it's free, it's silence and stillness. And it sounds simplistic, but it's so powerful because in that silence and stillness, you realize you're much greater than your problem, you're much greater than the circumstance, you're much greater than what is being presented to you in the moment. You're something beyond something else. And I have tons of atheist friends who believe that after this nothing exists, and that's fine. But at the end of the day, you have to cultivate that reservoir within you, and that's what I chose to do. And then the last thing is really what I like to say is I reframe two things. One, instead of the chemo being a poison, right? It does ravage the body, it causes side effects. I'm not trying to minimize that at all. This is you're speaking to someone who's been to cancer twice, okay? So I'm not minimizing chemo or immunotherapy because it it is pretty harsh. But I reframed it and I said, okay, what is this chemo designed to do? What is it scientifically and medically designed to do? It's designed to do certain things. So I need to allow it to do it. I needed to surrender to it. I reframed it as an elixir, as mana from the universe, so to speak, not as a poison, as something that I'm allowing and willing in my body. And then the last thing is adaptive resilience. Everyone knows about resilience bouncing back, but I reframe it as adaptive resilience. In the moment when I'm in that discomfort and that pain and that sorrow, how am I going to be flexible? How am I going to make and create and create strategies in order to not only get myself out of the situation, but allow myself to be back to form again, allow myself to have joy again? And so that's what I decided to do.
SPEAKER_00That's I definitely that, you know, you know, talk about struggle. I mean, that is that is something remarkable. Was there any time, I say, view? I want to talk about, you know, where did you find the strength? Definitely that the attitude we could control, the response we could control, the strategy, all that stuff we can control. But sometime you gotta find the strength somewhere. Um, you know, especially when the times are tough by when you're dealing with the the bottom of the you know, bottom and and you trying to lift yourself up, where'd you go find the strength?
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SPEAKER_02So about a year before I had my relapse, I ended up doing a TEDx talk. It was entitled Seven Minutes to Wellness, How to Love Your Inner Stranger. And in the talk, I start off and I say, if you ever looked at yourself in the mirror, do you recognize the person in front of you? And they're like, What? And then people are like, Well, what do you mean, inner stranger?
Finding Strength Through Adversity
SPEAKER_02I'm confused. And I said, Well, I left it vague on purpose. And then someone said to me, Well, what do you mean? What's your inner stranger? And I'm like, Well, the inner stranger for me is that young boy who never really felt that he was grounded, or like I always felt like I was wandering. Actually, a friend used to joke around and call me a nomad when I was young because I never really felt completely connected. Like I knew people and you know, like I wasn't a misfit, I just didn't feel connected. And she goes, Oh, I know the inner stranger for me is that ideal business woman that I can't reach, or that great uh sibling that I want to be, or that great mother that I want to be. I can't reach that. And I'm like, okay, great. So basically, I have a simple framework within a framework. My my actual framework is called the adaptive resilient framework, but within it, there was a reboot that I used in in the TEDx talk. And it's an acronym and it says hello, aloha. Aloha in Hawaiian means hello. So it's hello to your inner self. So A stands for acknowledge, so acknowledge where you are. Don't pretend. So that's what I did. You asked the question, it's exactly what I did. I acknowledge where I didn't pretend, I'm in the hospital, it looks pretty bleak. I have to go to the ICU. I just thought about it and you know, wrote down and did what I need to do. L stands for listening, so listen to your inner voice. Now, in Hawaiian, they actually have a healing healing modality called Huna healing. And in Huna healing, they believe that you can actually talk to the body, that the body has sensations, it has intelligence, it has consciousness, but you have to be still and silent enough in order to grasp that information. And so I don't tell people to do this in front of other people because they might think you're strange. But you know, listen to what the body is telling you. I call it the three brains, head, heart, and gut, but you can sort of ferret out that information. O stands for opening. So open yourself up to the information. No matter what belief system you believe or you believe nothing at all, you can open yourself up to new wisdom, new insights, new sensations, new intelligence. So just open yourself up and be really vulnerable with that. H stands for harnessing. So harness that information, try to make the mental connections, do a word vomit or info vomit on all that you're experiencing. And A, which is the last one, is acting. So act, but I say with a caveat, act with courage because it's hard to change. And most people think, especially in my trainings, they would teach us these um system called the trans the transtheoretical model of change, which is called the changes of state change. And basically it posits that it's not that people don't want to change, it's that they don't know how to change, they don't have the tools to change. Are they thinking about changing? Are they wanting to change? Are they in action of changing? Are they thinking of relapsing? So that's and I exactly did the uh the aloha with myself.
SPEAKER_00Very interesting. You know, definitely I'd like to get some more detail. I want to share that with the audience. I think that's a great technique that people can use. That could be used anywhere in a in a in any situation that you're dealing with. So the the what you what you learned going through your, you know, uh just listen to what. Had to go through uh save you that explains that why you were the best person to deal with a crisis situation because you dealt with the two you know twice, and and the way you came out of that is very positive. So, how do you translate that? What you discover, what you learn, all the wisdom you gain, uh, all that you know, insight you gain going through those challenges. How do you use that to help out business leaders to deal with the what they are up against, uh building companies or building businesses?
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SPEAKER_02So, what's leadership in general? People think leadership has to be this corporation, big corporation. No, it doesn't always have to be that. Leadership is how people see you, how people want to model what you give, how people want to emulate what you do, how people want to resonate with who you are. That's where leadership stands for. It always stands from the person within. So if you're not able to
Leadership Lessons from Personal Experience
SPEAKER_02do those things like self-regulation and all those other things that I mentioned, then how are you supposed to effectively lead? And so now if we transition into the business world or transition into my lane of leadership, which is healthcare leadership, there's technical terms, right? So increasing ramp or you know, strategic reversals, or this idea that what was once considered mainstay is is no longer what it is, right? They talk about return on investment. So at the at the end of the day, you have to look at it simply, the business from a personal standpoint. What am I giving to the business? What am I cultivating to the business? And what are things that are adding extra noise rather than adding signal and pattern recognition to the people that we serve? And so the key element there is to really break it down, obviously, but also to find out where the holes or the loopholes are, where things are leaking,
Identifying Cognitive Noise in High-Stakes Situations
SPEAKER_02where things can be strengthened. Uh, and so the key element, especially in healthcare, is especially with who I deal with, they deal with high-stake situation. It's not like it's only about their personal life or their organization, it's about the other human being in front of them. And if they don't act accordingly, which is all this cognitive noise, cognitive fatigue, a lot of it is really based upon that because they don't want to make a wrong move and a wrong choice. And it's this silent, hidden burden that they have to somehow release. And it's very hard because we all, including myself, we we put on an armor, right? We have to we have to present well, we have to show that we can, you know, do well. And I tell this story because right before my relapse, I came, I did my TEDx talk. I did a one month in India, I did a media visit for eight cities. I came back and my editor was like, Savio, I have an assignment for you. I'm like, okay. He's like, it's not your beat because I cover leadership, I cover business, I cover wellness. That's that's my beat. He goes, Would you like to cover the red carpet at the Oscars? Like, what? He's like, Yeah, the red carpet of the Oscars. And I'm like, okay. So I did it, and I was there with a lot of the other journalists from very big name publications. And one thing I noticed, Kramit, which was really shocking to me, was the celebrities that came by, they were acting still. I I had no idea. I thought they were gonna they were acting because they were acting to show a front for me. They were acting to show a front for their handlers, for their managers. They weren't really being completely authentic. And I realized something. We in the business world do that as well. And so I think the key element is with all this adversity and disruption, it always starts with how you present so that others can represent your company.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, if you're not being yourself all the time and you just presenting to your pointer, uh Saviour, you know, how do you separate those two? And then that the stress you're carrying to present in a certain way, that's that's gonna stay with you and almost to the point it becomes a second nature.
SPEAKER_02100%. How many times have you heard, especially now in the advent of AI, it's no longer about content because AI can create that in seconds? Yeah, it's about how is that content resonating, how authentic is that content? And there's actually a creator on TikTok who I follow, and he said social media is going to change from instead of social media, it's gonna be it's it's gonna be changed from sort of info media, which is what info are you giving from yourself, who you are as a company, rather than just being well, who I follow and and what they have to say. So that dynamic and that landscape is definitely changing. And I think to a large degree, it's necessary because I don't know about other countries, but here in the US, a lot has been altered, a lot, a lot has been distorted. And so it's our job to ruffle or to struggle with finding truth in that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, being authentic, I think all the time, and and and and you know what one thing is business leaders getting better at this being authentic and being being true to themselves. Then the other part of that is they have a large team, they have to also train the next leaders who are coming into their space, right? So, how do you train those people? How do you build a leadership? There's a lot of leadership development, a lot of leadership, uh you know, the
The Importance of Authenticity in Leadership
SPEAKER_00training. How do you train people if you're not even being authentic and if you're losing that touch and you if you haven't figured it out how to take care of yourself? How are you gonna train the next generation?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and and a lot of people, I mean, how many times have you heard it? Oh God, this job, this corporate job is soul sucking. So, you know, my thing is why can't it be soul searching? Why can't you look for things that light you up? Why can't you look for things that actually bring you joy, that spark something in you? Why does it always have to be that they're taking something from you? Why can't you give something to it? But I agree with you, and it's exactly what I mentioned earlier. If the leadership team, which then trickles down to the because people ask me all the time, they're like, Okay, well, you know, you do this work, you know, do you coach like other? I'm like, of course I coach one-on-one with people, but I enjoy coaching leadership. Why? Because it trickles down, it goes not only from who they are, right, in their team and the organization, it trickles down to their community, it trickles down to their family, it trickles down to their relationships. And so that's important to me because in 16 months of feeling like my voice was stifled because I was going through recovery and I was focused on recovery. I feel now it's really important that people get really honest about how they speak and how that lands with other people. It's no longer about what information you're giving me, it's about whether or not your information resonates with me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And I think to be fair, other side as well, Savieu, I want to just take us, you know, business leaders I work with, you know, you know, or or uh, you know, companies I deal with. Other part of that is they have a lot of pressure on their shoulders as well. You know, their companies' performance is one, financial pressure is another one, you know, people pressure is another one. So there's a lot of uh pressures on on their shoulders. They're trying to move companies and trying to grow whatever they got to do. Same time, they have to, you know, what are we just talking about? There's so many blind spots. And one of the blind spots you just mentioned, that health side of things, right? So it's very easy to overlook some of those blind spots when you're so focused on uh you know quarterly goals or what are you trying to achieve in a short term, because you're so driven by that's a responsibility you're carrying that you gotta move forward. So I think that's where the people like you come in to simply highlighting this blind spot and say, listen, uh, you know, there's some blind spot you need to take, you know, tackle, otherwise, it's gonna have a consequence, right? So I think business leaders need that kind of help, that those blind spots to be to be you know highlighted and then help them get over that. Otherwise, it just too many moving parts on a daily basis to deal in a business.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, absolutely. And then perfectly said, and then after and then what ends up happening is the gap widens and widens and then ends up drifting. You end up drifting so much so that there's there is no alignment anymore. It's completely either distorted or non-existent. And so absolutely, but it starts from the person because, like I mentioned, what is leadership? You have to ask yourself that question. It's
Addressing Blind Spots in Business Leadership
SPEAKER_02not just about the team and what they're trying to achieve, it's about how they're doing it and why they're doing it and who they're serving.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, yeah. So especially in a health healthcare side, are people spotting some of those uh you know, blind spotter we talk about, whether health side, or or you have to discover those challenges for them, you know, working with them. So how what you know, once when they interact with you, what do you see that what what kind of challenges they're up against where you can pinpoint a couple of a couple of issues?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, the majority, like I mentioned previously, is this cognitive just fatigue and overload. It's it's a silent pain that they don't speak of because they it's wrapped up in bureaucracy, it's it's hinged upon their performance, they have to follow certain rules and regulations, although here in the US, that's been upended with so many changes. And also this this this factor of and state it, it's this after-COVID effect. Absolutely. That was traumatizing on so many levels, not only to us as humans, but to the medical system. It literally created shock waves. And I think they're slowly only just beginning to uncover and unravel from that. One of my favorite shows here in the US is called The Pit. It's on HBO Max and it's about what happens in the ER. And so many ER doctors are like, this is this is my life. And I I honestly, Gumi, when I'm watching it, my nervous system is a wreck, like literally a wreck, but it's so riveting and so amazingly entertaining that I have to watch it every Thursday. And I watched that show as well because my gratitude, not only for the fact that healthcare and wellness saved my life twice now, but my gratitude for the fact that they're willing to do really, really hard job, a really, really difficult one, which ends up paying a toll on them, not to give away the show, but there are things that happen to the actual practitioners that you don't see when they're actually trying to serve you as the patient.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because especially the long rowers and stress all this uh that they go through, you can simply just imagine, you know, what they have to go through. Uh, I want to get back to business leaders as if you're business owners who trying to figure out that they definitely get a lot of pressure. Are there something you'd recommend that you know you had a lot of time with yourself? You know, is there something you recommend? How can they self-help themselves, you know, at least start dealing with some of the short-term challenges and before they look for help? Yeah. First of all, how can they diagnose some of those things? And if they can find out, hey, this is what I'm up against. And a second, a couple of things they can do for themselves, at least to get through it and and before they seek for help.
SPEAKER_02Well, this is a common question, right? So the first thing is, like I said, acknowledge. But beyond that, just do a brain dump. What exactly are you facing up against? If it's work-related, do a brain dump on exactly what's happening there. If it's something personal that's affecting the work, do a brain dump on that. Have it so that you can actually visualize it and see it. I want you to name it. Name the problem. Because if you don't name it, then you don't give bring clarity to the problem. And if you
Self-Help Strategies for Business Leaders
SPEAKER_02don't bring clarity to the problem, you can't bring a solution at all in any event. So that's number one. Number two, you can do basic things. It doesn't have to be some elaborate spa day or a weekend away or a golf trip. If that if that makes you happy, do it. Absolutely. But it could be as simple as waking up in the morning. For me, it's meditation. I'll tell you truthfully, I've been meditating for over two decades now. It basically gives me a calmness and an ability to actually see clearer. So that's number one. But for you, it could be journaling. For you, it could be prayer, for you could be walking in silence, it could be breathing exercise, box breathing, or do four and four out, but make sure the exhalation is slower. That's that's a really simple way of doing it. Another one is really about to some degree allowing yourself to feel. And to a large portion of society, we have gotten really bad at distinguishing our actual feelings from our emotions. So, in other words, I'm feeling something, but my emotions are telling me something else, or my emotions are not clarifying for me what exactly am I feeling? That job I cannot teach someone to do because your emotions are intrinsic to who you are. But we can actually talk about it. So it's talk therapy, or you could do, you know, in my executive coaching, we do embodiment exercise. What is actually speaking to you when you think about that problem or that situation, where in your body does that land for you? And when you can actually say where it lands for you in your body, you can actually pinpoint exactly the origin point of how that's affecting your physiology, how that's affecting your mental state, how that's affecting your emotional state. So that's that's number two. And number three, the most important thing of all is allowing some level of devotion to it or service to it or community to it. I'll be truthfully honest with you, when I had my relapse, I relied just on myself. I did it the first time and I did the second time. Now, not that's not to say that people weren't texting me or calling me, my family was there for me, people did stuff for me. I'm I'm not trying to minimize that. But for me, I knew for me that the only person who can get out of this situation beyond my doctors helping me is me. But other people, because I did write a book a few
The Role of Community in Personal Recovery
SPEAKER_02years ago where I interviewed 200 cancer survivors and I took 35 of their stories, told my own. A lot of them relied on their community. Cook them food, take them to the doctor's appointment, because you know, where they're scribe. So when it comes to leaders, just generally, allow people in. Like it might not work for everybody, but it works for the majority.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah, I suppose, you know, I had an interview with somebody and I think in a forced my couple of podcasts. You know, Phil, Phil, Phil, uh, if you remember Zobik from uh from Nova Scotia, and and the way he's engineered, the way he approaches that being grateful, you know, write down 10 lines in the morning and 10 at night. I've been using that for now last few months now. So, you know, just writing what you're grateful for, it kind of changes your physiology and also changes your mindset just by going through the items. You know, you don't have to spend a lot of time on it. It takes about five minutes in the morning, just write five items in the morning, five at night before you go to bed. It changes. So, yeah, so a lot of those points you mentioned, just it doesn't take that long. It's just a few minutes just going through it, it just changes your mindset, it changes the way you approach things.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I have to add one hack to that. So, in my studies with one of my mentors at the University of Pennsylvania, Martin Siegelman, when he talks about gratitude, he has a twist on it, which is really effective. So, write down the list of things that you're grateful for, but after each one, ask why that happened. So, in other words, I'm grateful for my house. Why did that happen? Did I work really hard? Did I save? Did I invest? Because it gives more context and more meaning and it becomes stickier rather than just listing the gratitude.
SPEAKER_00It brings it back to you again. You did did something to be could be grateful for. Uh very great hack. I'm gonna use that. I think gonna practice this because yeah, so whatever you write is gonna bring it back to you that you did something, it changes your perspective. Interesting.
SPEAKER_02And and another thing also, and I don't think it was attributed to him, but another one of my mentors mentioned as well when I was sort of studying in training deep, because my key is the study. I love studying not only the human condition and how it works, but how does how does leadership form from that human condition and what are the barriers toward to entry for that human condition? But it's really about when you have a partner, okay. Now I'm talking about human relationships, or even this could be a business associate. Figure out for yourself, did you ever ask them what are their hopes and and and dreams in the moment? Because oftentimes we're so focused on what we need to do, and I'm providing for the family, I'm securing this, you know, where but you don't ask. Maybe their goalposts shifted a little bit. Maybe they are then becoming resentful for certain things that you are trying to give them, but they're becoming resentful because they're not creating it themselves. So if you ask somebody, if you communicate that, whether it's a business partner or relationship, you then end up really figuring out for yourself what is the true reality we're working towards? What is the goal? And in coaching, as you know, it's vision is a huge topic, but vision is not a goal. Vision is how you want to feel, how you want to be. And with my own medical malady and cancer survivorship, for me, the vision and the goal is about reclaiming what I felt that cancer took away from me. It wasn't about hating cancer, it was about saying, okay, cancer, you came, right? There's either a transformation, a decision I had to make, and thankfully I'm here talking with you and I'm still alive. But at the end of the day, cancer gave me a perspective that nothing else could have given me. And so I often tell people, always look at the objective of the situation rather than the subjective, because we can name a thousand things. I can tell you, I can talk about my wounds all day long, Gramit, but I would rather talk about the walk. What am I doing after something like this happens to me?
SPEAKER_00Very interesting. Uh Savvy, you know, nobody else can talk about what you've gone through and and deal that, you know, there's so much we can talk about. We can go through this. You know, I'm enjoying a discussion, so much to learn from you. But definitely there, there's uh, you know, we have a time constraint. So I want to make sure that uh, you know, the business leader watching, you know, either you're listening to us on a podcast or watching us on a YouTube, you know, I strongly recommend that reach out to you for a conversation and uh, you know, have a good, you know, just just a conversation. Who knows uh, you know, where the conversation is going to lead to. And I'm sure I got a different perspective just talking to you. I'm sure whoever talks to you, they're gonna get a totally different perspective on life and and the business itself. How can people connect with you, Saviour and how where can they find you?
SPEAKER_02Sure. They can find me very simply at my website, savio pclemente.com. It's S-A-V-I-O-P-C-L-E-M-E-N-T-E. They can find my keynote work at this moment. I have a few spots for uh uh uh two 2026 keynotes. They can find my TEDx talk. Uh every Wednesday, I actually release a newsletter about the three brains, head, heart, and gut intelligence. And I also talk about right now I'm doing an interview series with CEOs and CMOs about the healthcare leadership operating system. So they can find that newsletter. And then on social media, they can follow me on every platform at the human resolve. And why do I choose the human resolve? Because what do we else we have except the the ability, the ability to dig deep and to find that resolve within ourselves and others.
SPEAKER_00Well, that's where all the discoveries are, that's all the strength is, right? By doing that. But I'm gonna include all the links below this video for your newsletters, also for your TEDx talk as well and in your website. People are gonna click a button, they can reach out to you, have a conversation, and uh, you know, who knows where the conversation is gonna lead, but they're gonna learn a lot just by and chatting with you. Well, listen, I it's so grateful that you listen. You came on a podcast. We we you know we got to share your story, and also you know, so good to see that you you're you know, you're doing well. Um, so so much to talk about. But uh thank you so much for time acknowledging. I want to acknowledge your time, but uh, it was a great discussion. Enjoyed it. Thank you so much. We'll talk soon.
SPEAKER_02All right, thanks, Groumi. Thank you. How was that?
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